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Jingle-bell solutions are Not ‘Best for ALL’

There’s a very basic point to understand when walking around the Desteni material and everyone’s vlogs and blogs – if you care about life in this world, about the environment, animals, humanity in all its aspects, you’ll resonate with what’s being said and eventually stand up in Equality with us.

Anyone that’s not willing to See the common sense of presenting ‘what is best for all’ is already indicating that they will not give up their individuality and ‘free choice’ which is eventually not giving a fuck about the rest of the world, life, animals or anything around them but satisfying their own guts. What’s best for all is not debatable, it cannot be denied when having this entire world as the direct result of all of us abdicating our self responsibility on this world and only ‘following our greatest excitement.’

Denigrating the truth as the reality of what is here is a self-protective mechanism to preserve ones preferences and apparent free-choices in place, as well as knowledge that is usually given too much value to form oneself as an opinionated person with a certain view on life – any ‘view’ that deviates from what’s best for all is a threat to anyone in this world – as simple as that. May seem totalitarian but that’s how reality is and anything that doesn’t correlate or represent facts but only knowledge that preserves separation will still hold any point of ego in place.

When we say: see for yourself, read the material – it’s about that process of self discovery that I completely agree with as this is how all of us came around Desteni. I spent months reading the forum, watching the videos before I participated fully in it – why/how? because I cared, because I saw how understanding the basics would allow me to have proper ability to discuss what was already clear and known to others there. That was my initial equalizing homework – I saw how effective this was hence I promote it as the way to go when getting to Desteni and/or Equal Money System. Along the way you participate and through that, get supported to understand and clarify all aspects for yourself through your own application.

 

I cannot understand how anyone that is apparently also interested in a solution would be disregarding the presentation and proposal of a system that will be best for all out of nowhere almost in an immediate manner, while remaining in an almost faithful-conviction to other projects and ‘solutions’ that are certainly not taking the whole into consideration.

We do our homework and investigate other solutions, yet the same point is often missed: equality as the life principle that’s best for ALL – no one is considering that the ‘unthinkable’ can actually be done such as reforming the entire monetary system for example and with that, revolutionizing the way every living being exists in this world, to finally get to live.

Examples are when getting to know of Zeitgeist –  from the movie time even before the ‘movement’ – we realized how it was cool information on economy, religions, the world, secret societies etc. as a general debunker of that which was still ‘hidden’ for the majority. Then the movement came without any actual practical solutions other than ditching the current monetary system in its totality and kind of dwelling upon the same territory that OWS (Occupy Movement) is at the moment.

When we investigated the Venus project we saw how the technological aspect of it could be used as well as any other cool innovations for the use of energy, but also realized they weren’t considering ‘what’s best for all’ in any way nor creating any reform to support the actual beingness of the human to become a real considerate individual of what’s best for al. We couldn’t find direct inclusion of those that are currently living in dire conditions within such solution. How could we get to exist in such paradise cities if there are people in this world that don’t even have potable water, food or a house to live in? That should say it all in terms of it being a partial solution that’s not really including everyone in this world.

 

Placing a cross to anything ‘money’ without seeing the equal next to it is indicating that they have to step out of their own prejudices and get to actually reading/ watching/ investigating the material if they are really interested in becoming part of the solution. Again, we’re not here to convince anyone – those who care of fellow beings will listen and understand it – if not right away- will take the time to read, watch, study = dare to care.

 

What happens is people are attracted to the jingle-bell solution of these nice cutting-edge sketches that Fresco envisions without having a look at the actual considerations such project would entail and how it simply won’t work as it’s not based on an overall living-change, but only creating solutions to keep/ maintain the same lifestyle of the human being. By Lifestyle I mean  the inner-experience of the being which is not taken into consideration and is the actual cause of the world being in the condition it is now – the problem is the human beings. So when self responsibility is placed on the plate, it doesn’t look so tasty or something I would ‘enjoy’ doing – it’s not a matter of enjoying it initially, it’s about common sense and directing oneself to live by a principle that’s never been lived in this world. One can only get the gist of it when getting to see how self support works along the walk once one starts living as the principles at hand. I can tell more about it, but it can only be my story, my experience and that is what I’m here to encourage every one to see for themselves once again.

 

None of the current crisis and problems would exist if the human didn’t exist. But because we do, the least thing we can do is create a complete change in the way we live in, to stop desiring to live in opulent make-believe realities and start re-aligning with the actual cycles of the biosphere we live in, this is taking life into consideration. Then money can be equalized as we will not be trading fake mental values – yes as redundant as that may seem – but will simply focus on creating sustainable and effective living environments for all involved: animals, plants, environment and the human being. We can only continue existing as Earthlings, there is no other way – the human greedy being must become Self Honest which is taking into consideration the whole before any other attempt to ‘evolve’  – which is not really existent at this stage.

Because such regard is mostly non-existent in human being, we must create it and this is what Desteni and Equal Money are all about: creating a world that’s best for all in Equality because it has never existed before.

 

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Desteni and Equal Money–WTF?

This is a supportive read for anyone that may have second thoughts or still guessing what we’re all about.  It’s also meant to debunk some of the ubiquitous misinformation about us around the web. So here it is, coming from someone that has walked this process for almost 4 years and enjoying every single day that we walk together as this.

How can Desteni be linked to the Illuminati if we promote world Equality – which is the total opposite of what the so-called ‘elite’ stand for – how can a message of Self Honesty and Self Responsibility can be tweaked to then be something evil and detrimental to humanity? How is it that the current reality we live in which doesn’t make sense at all is still not even questioned by the majority?

What must exist in a human being to ignore common sense? To ignore the actual truth not as some fancy words but as the reality we live in which is able to be seen by everyone.

How could ‘shaving heads’ shock anyone more than having people using chemicals upon their heads to make their hair look in different colors? How can one or the other be any different as to any other style or modification – how come gathering around a table to eat and give each other products bought with overloaded credit cards isn’t viewed as cultish human behavior? How come praying to a god isn’t seen as potential delirium that may end up in absolute insanity? How is ‘believing in something greater’ that hasn’t ever shown up on Earth still held as something valuable in someone’s mind, while the world reveals that the current detrimental experience is the consequence of all human actions that haven’t been stopped, thus leading to an imminent destruction if not stopped and corrected right now.

How is talking to people from a dimensional existence talking through the portal, communicating absolute and irrefutable common sense seen as absolutely fantastic while we tend to hear and do what our own ‘voices in the head’ say which is often detrimental to ourselves and others and! No one else can see it/ them? How come that’s accepted and allowed as ‘who we are’ – how come we cannot expand our ability to conceive something beyond everything we’ve ever thought possible just because ‘it wasn’t taught in school’.

We’d like to have many people listening to the message of Equality as Life yes, loving thy neighbor as thyself not in the rosy type of way wherein you actually utter such words in some form of lightworking calamity, but actually work to create a world that’s best for all. Though it’s futile to have millions ‘following’ without grasping that such change won’t only come from voting for it, but it actually means vowing oneself to become a Self Responsible being, someone that cares for life, for each other, that cares to create a suitable environment for all involved in the same biosphere – that’s being one vote for world equality, less than that would only be following the herd of which the current political parties and churches are full of.

People seek to ‘believe in something’ or ‘someone’ to make a change for them = still delegating power. Some others do not want to ‘jump in the boat’ unless it’s got a well established foundation which in this current system translates to proper funds to ‘settle’ something, which proves that we are no illuminati or elite or any other super-power, otherwise we would already be making mind blowing movies and hiring artists to promote our solution.

We actually don’t have to convince anyone either. What we present is common sense and should be embraced as such, as part of Self-Realization and not just a nice-sounding proposal that may only bail us out of the current turmoil –No. Equal Money represents the way things should have always been but never was due to the inherent human nature that we’ve accepted as a ‘factor’ that determined the entire outcome and structure of the system we accepted and allowed and perceived as ‘unchangeable’, which is certainly Not in Equality and it’s NOT supporting any point of actual Self Realization.

We’re the average ‘Joes’ that have opened their eyes to common sense. We’ll require funds, a lot of funds to make this work and by publishing this as part of the realization of what it’ll take to change the world, we can see it is part of the points that have to be walked as a group. There is no hidden agenda as it’s simply realizing that everything moves in this world if there’s money in it and currently, we have to be in the system, work from within it to eventually create the solution so that all can step out of it equally.

We cannot use ‘world leaders’ for this as Equal Money may stand in their personal interests rooted in power and their pursue of greedy happiness.

The only point that we’re living right now as simile process to the one lived in the dimensions is linked to demons and how demons became the point of change in the dimensions. As above, so below and that’s how it should be done. We cannot magically make Equality be the living principle as it must be a self-realized ‘move’ so to speak, not only a program that is now implanted without any actual self realization of why we must walk through a process of self correction wherein we see and fully understand why Equality is the way to go in this world. Otherwise, we’d be prone to repeat this nonsense yet once again – we cannot afford doing this all over again.

The systems in this world run quite deep and are ingrained as the entirety of ourselves in all aspects, yet it is possible to stand as the point of change that we now see must be lived and conducted if we are up for creating a world that’s best for all. It would be deliberate spitefulness to not stand up for this solution once that we see the common sense in it, it would be like a double fuck up as it wouldn’t be coming from a point of being ignorant about the entire situation, but as something that is ‘already known’ yet not acted upon because of how ‘impossible’ it may seem like. In fact the way Equal Money is usually received is a cool indicator that we are on the right track as all revolutionary ideas are first ridiculed, then opposed only to be embraced at the end. So we’re in between the first two wherein more and more people are getting to expand the current narrow and limited ways of perceiving this reality wherein we can only create a change in the moment that we take on the challenge as ourselves. That way ‘change’ is who I am, self-correction, self responsibility, it is then not dependent on some pollutitian to expel an order to ‘change the world’, but I begin and walk it as myself.

What drove me to become part of Desteni and now the Equal Money System action team – lol – is because it makes complete sense. I didn’t have to think twice about it, it was immediate, it resonated with the entirety of what I had already seen and realized about this world. The money aspect was certainly something that I got to educate myself about as I was pretty much a money-detractor in terms of not wanting to do much with it, yet criticizing the system and everyone else within it. Ludicrous that I didn’t see myself as a part of it as well, but it doesn’t matter here, I’m already aware, directing and standing up for a solution so all past negligence has been self forgiven.

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This will take time, yes – as the saying goes ‘Rome wasn’t built in one day’ and not that we want to build any mighty ego-driven cities, but it’ll take time to educate people about the principle – from parents to children – and then create the external change as a structure that will enable people to have more time to spend on education. It is definitely true that not many have a lot of spare time in their hands to research this as everyone is living in a fast-food mode, trying to make the most money to live in a decent way. Though to understand the basic principle we don’t require much time – it’s very clear and simple how all the Desteni material can be considered as various specific and detailed ways of explaining how giving to each other what we want for ourselves as the recognition of everyone and everything being equal as Life is the solution for this world. So we take self responsibility and create ourselves and the system as something that works for all equally.

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o See, I don’t have a problem spending my lifetime dedicating myself to Desteni and the Equal Money System solution because it’s the only thing that makes sense in this world, it’s the only group of people that I’ve found on Earth that see things in a holistic and common sense way. We realize how fucked up this reality is and how it cannot possibly continue the same way. Any idea of us ‘doing something futile’ or running for an elusive ideal is simply part of the limitations and brainwashing we’ve accepted as humans to think ‘no change can be done, it’s impossible to do something about it’ which is reinforced by and within the current system to maintain people in the beloved submissive status quo. This is for the sake of keeping everyone fully subdued to a system that benefits from those that aspire to ‘someday’ obtain such powerful position that will lead them to the ever elusive ‘ultimate happiness and freedom’, while those in power have arranged the entire system so that there is never an actual possibility to get a hold of such pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Yes, it was never real.

Even if my mind goes haywire at times thinking about ‘changing the world’ I stop and realize that this is not about ‘changing the world’ as that would be a literal crazy idea, it’s about being the change I want to see in this world in common sense, becoming the living proof that it is possible to do so. For this I cannot say I’m ‘done’ at all, no way – we’re all walking this and day by day we realize and see for ourselves what is possible to do once we stand as a group that promotes what’s best for all through our own lives.

o Ultimately, this is not only for the sake of ‘Desteni’ or ‘Equal Money’ which are only but synonyms to living life in dignity for all, for actual freedom of expression and freedom to choose what we want to be and do once that we are part of a world where everyone will be having the same ability to choose. I have no problem if I spend my lifetime walking the implementation of it and only get to see one single stone placed as an ‘Equal World’ – there is nothing else I would rather be doing in my life, this process has become my life, it is my life, my everyday breathing as there is nothing that requires more attention than caring for the very world we live in, caring for the way other fellow living beings are going through their days in this same Earth. Stepping out of my bubble has been the healthiest thing I could’ve ever done and that’s how I am such a militant for life in Equality and this process of Self Honesty, because I’ve seen and realized how supportive life can be when you live, share, co-work and stand with beings that are in equal understanding of what’s best for all and join forces to make it a living reality.

o At last but not at least, I wouldn’t be able to be doing this alone, no way. I often speak as ‘we’ because I consider everyone standing as Desteni as part of myself that is opening eyes, as one voice that shares about what is required to do and conduct in this world, ‘what we do’ is who we are and I’m always grateful for having found Desteni, having found people that are daring to be real and it’s quite an honor to stand along with every one of them around the globe – even if it’s not in a ‘physical way’, we’re always here and working together.

o Being a Destonian, standing up for Life, supporting an Equal Money System – all are but tags and ways to proclaim: I am a human being that has opened eyes to the reality we’ve created in absolute negligence of life, now we see and take self responsibility doing what is required to be done to create a world that’s best for all.

o We have a single goal and we’re already walking the way to get there – protesting and rioting the streets creating more violence won’t do a thing. Therefore we simply continue focusing on a single life principle which is and will be the only outcome that can prevail in this world.


The ‘Loving’ perspective

 

The point of considering others or everything/everyone within my equation of the previously perceived and self-created idea/definition of ‘love’ certainly broadened my perspective of how we are used to holding ‘special bonds’ to people that se consider ‘special’ within our reality – that’s then an obvious point of separation wherein anyone that would claim ‘loving’ would in fact only have in mind/consider that particular person, thing or even activity that they ‘love doing’.

I had only spoken/ written about ‘love’ within the past as all the illusions of relationships based on the creation of a certain ‘feeling’ or ‘experience’ towards others which were nothing else but my own creation, I never even considered that I had to first see what self-love was to be able to then consider ‘loving another’. That was an absolute energetic game that has no place within what’s here.  All in all I’ve cleared the word from the usual associations and then realized that I would simply use the word ‘care’ – as a less-energetically charged within the general understanding of such word within our society – to indicate that which I want for myself and others as Equals.

I simply saw that it is not necessary to create little fluffy clouds or create the opposite reaction as rejection to all usual representations around the word love – like experiencing the usual ‘heart’ as something obnoxious, nothing but an inciting red representation of what seems like a 180 degree opposite placement of an ass or a pair of boobs. Instead of ridiculing the word with such symbols, we should all rather consider what actual love is.

Considering love as myself first and see what I required correcting and aligning within myself to realize what it was in fact was the first point to take on.

 

What is caring for myself? Not abusing myself would be the  first definition and association, but it would be based on a polarity towards ‘abuse’ only. So within that, self care, self enjoyment, self responsibility, self respect become the building blocks to see how to construct myself as that and live it out; this way we actually create such point of self care which didn’t precisely exist before in such a common sensical perspective – meaning considering that what I can take as ‘self-love’ can be lived and applied by others equally devoid of any mental experience as feelings/emotions.

Self acceptance became the foundation on this as I had resorted in ‘finding love’ as finding ‘acceptance’ in and through others, by being ‘someone’ in another’s life so, that point had to be brought back to myself to Care for myself. Then it was an entire process which I’ve described before and that is still being lived and applied as we breathe here.

The point of physical care became an actual consideration of myself as the physical, and not just wanting to preserve a ‘machine’ in a ‘well state’ – it became a completely new understanding through what we’ve realized as ourselves being this physical body at the moment and how much we’ve neglected it while existing only as thinking upper boxes at the top of the body. That point of being gentle with ourselves, learning to experience ourselves from head to toe at all times – caring for myself as in making sure I am well nurtured, I don’t oversleep or sleep less than what I required, not place myself in any situation of potential harm etc. – and not done out of ‘fear’ but out of common sensical considerations. Being self responsible is also a point that has supported me to establish that point of self appreciation again.

There are many things I wasn’t even aware of at a physical level – if I ever was, I would regard it as ‘normal’ like experiencing a nerve wracking sensation, an anxiety experience, some type of depression experienced  as something ‘normal’ and ‘usual’ only to then find out that I’m actually also abusing myself within existing in such energetic possessions instead of being here-as-life, breathing.

From physical care as self-care to caring for another. I bite my lower lip in means of the giving and taking action that this implies. We’ve got to demonstrate through actions, words in our living reality that we in fact care for ourselves and thus, we extend such care for another as ourselves – equal and one – without any hidden agenda, being unconditional in any point of support given and received by another. The point of receiving is something I had to learn to ‘accept’ as myself as I would tend to go into a ‘humbleness possession’ wherein being ‘too meek’ becomes just another way of not acknowledging what we’ve become, what we’ve achieved for example within this process and it’s standing in a polarity point of other points like being ‘recognized’ and so, such humbleness became just another way of playing a personality as a limitation to give and receive what I want for myself.

Giving unconditionally, receiving unconditionally – then we have the creation of such relationships as stable ways of existing – meaning, making sure that such giving and taking is not compromised in any way, that we’re actually able to do this as part of our daily living acts, that we are in fact supporting each other within the principle of what’s best for all and not just continuing the support of ourselves as egos, as personalities – personal-ties –  as people with hidden agendas that seek something else out of it all. That’s how in fact we go transforming any initial point of self interest into a walking-realization of the points that require to be modulated so that any potential separation through the creation of a ‘special bond’ is always re-directed here as what’s best for all, grounding it back to the basics without further poof-loops in the air when realizing it.

Then caring becomes an expression that can be lived with anything or anyone regardless – it must be a two way system just as our binary codes and the very breathing we give and take – because exhaling might be seen as a residue or excretion but it isn’t, it’s beneficial for those beings that take the co2 for their own nurturing like trees/ plants. So we live in a system that is organic in nature where all parts – if not artificially modified to the extent of plasticity – can be restored and reintegrated to the environment with great ease.

[Isn’t plastic just another attempt of self-preservation? the long-lasting inherent desire of humans to be ‘immortal’ translated into an artificial compound that is ‘apparently’ unable to be destroyed? – fascinating us, humans, not considering the outflow of our exertion of inner-desires into the external reality and its disastrous consequences]

 

To care then is to consider that what another is going through within their lives is me in another life as well, considering that what we’ve walked and shared in this world will mark the way for others to come and as such, we cannot leave a world based in fluffy-popable love ideas that require money and feelings to exist. Love must be deflated as the ideal that has been implanted in our heads based on the continuous brainwashing process obtained through our media, through nice stories passed on generation to generation, through traditions and cultural ways of conceiving ‘love’ as that which everyone had to ‘live up to’., inherently linked to success, sex and excess.

We can make of such ‘love’ a grounded expression that is able to be applied, lived as being given and taken as naturally as breath, as who we really are once we’ve realized and placed into action the realization that we are here to learn how to coexist together as individuals, yet moving as one single being. Just like cells in the body that remain individual yet work in groups to form tissue, muscles, organs and systems that conform the entire physical body. That’s the basic functionality that we must realize as ourselves and knowing that if we fuck with ourselves, we’ll eventually fuck with another and within that, cause multiple harms that might not even be seen at first glance, but eventually within being part of the whole and everyone existing in such individualized and compartmentalized version of ‘life’, we start creating rifts between ourselves that are imposed on to this very basic functionality of what we must be/ exist and live as, a separation created only at a mind level – not at a physical one.

Hence the importance of stopping the mind, stopping ourselves from falling into any alternate delusional reality other than what we are and represent at this moment as part of the group that is this living being called Earth and thus simply adjust ourselves, our living reality to be part of the system that’s currently emerging that is completely aligned with who and what we are as Life, where all mental experiences and definitions are being corrected and placed aside to focus on the reality that is palpable and physically verifiable by everyone here.

 

Caring for another as myself then becomes a living condition that we take into consideration not as a ‘must do’ as some type of political obligation, but as part of the basic input we can all integrate every moment that we express ourselves and that when we use our mind, we use it to create and construct that which is best for all, to think that which can be externalized without any ‘shame’ as it won’t contain any personal desires or interests behind. That’s the process we’re walking and that’s the place we have to get to in equal-terms and as part of the equal agreement we’ve now committed ourselves to here on Earth. Transparency in fact.

So, love becomes the realization of self-acceptance, self care, self responsibility and self respect that we are all able and capable of living as ‘who we are’ at all times. It’s always been there, we just haven’t accepted and allowed ourselves to live as it, so we  have to simply live them as who we are.

If you’re ready to love yourself and get out of the previously cheesy conceptions towards such word or even repulsion to it – as I had experienced before –   you are ready to embrace and amalgamate that word as ourselves, as all of the practical living points mentioned here wherein eventually whether we say love or care or consideration, we will be living-it which is what actually matters: being the living word.

Motivation then becomes the movement of self to enjoy being/ doing/ giving what we want for ourselves and everyone else equally which stands along the terms of what’s best for all, so that I live every day knowing and realizing that I’m being part of the necessary change in this world to create an equal-world where Equality is no longer a ‘correction’ or a vacuous concept, but a living reality. I realize that all motivation had been previously delegated on to money, power, success, feelings, sex, glory, fame and any other ephemeral experience that we had tagged as ‘love’ -which is similar to ‘seeking happiness/ love/ bliss’ as the ultimate goal in life – and instead we make that a constant property of living through actual continuous actions, with no more having to pursue glorious scenarios of achieving such elusive ‘lasting effect’ as part of an overrated concept of love or ‘eternal love’ which is unfortunately how it still exists now.

 

So, if we want to change the starting point of our motivation as humanity, we have to begin with ourselves. Seeing where self interest is overriding our reality, seeing where self-enjoyment is not being allowed as ourselves or is obstructing our basic responsibilities – it’s all part of equalizing and moderating our reality into what’s best for all.

We can also realize how we cannot dissociate the Equal Money System from this process to create the necessary conditions for such unconditional love to exist.

Loving sounds like law-being, the law of our being is to stand as equals as life and live the words written here.

For more support or discussion, visit de Desteni Forums wherein we’ll be glad to read and support if required within the understanding of the new way of living as Equals as the life that we’re yet to become.

 

thanks for reading.

 

Embracing Self – by Bernard Poolman

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Point of reference for this post, some interviews by Bernard Poolman:

How will people be motivated? – Equal Money FAQ

LOVE


“Paradise Cities are Not the Solution”–2. Feedback Received

 

Continuing with the feedback received, answering comments: 
I suggest you join the Equal Money Forum for further discussion as Live Journal is not that practical for these means: http://equalmoney.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1587&p=2660#p2660

(Anonymous) (65.120.35.162) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 02:53 pm (local)

More research needed
**I’m not leaving this comment to attack you in any way. I just don’t want others to read this and think it is accurate”


The blog post is a perspective, an immediate correlation to the reality I see and live in – thus I am not stating it is ‘how it is’ – it’s just how things are when taking the proposal out of its cocoon.

“You don’t understand the movement. It is not a utopia like you and many many others have stated. It will not be some people living in the cities and others in mud. We understand that this will only work if these ideas are applied holistically.”

So you are saying that these type of cities would have to be built around the entire world? How on Earth is that even conceivable? That would be the correct application of ‘applied holistically’ so, I am still not getting a straight answer here.

“Many of the criticisms you have are addressed on TVP/TZM websites, and ironically, agree with you in some cases. I suggest you research the Venus Project more thoroughly. Watching the movies is only the very tip of the iceberg. Find some of Jacque’s lecture videos online. Operate scientifically, use critical thinking.

Have a great life! “

Jacque and Peter are still missing vital points: grounding themselves to this reality and grounding their ideas to an actual applicable and achievable way to create a betterment of this world and society – so far, no concrete plan son the table, all still ideas floating in the air.

We are here to simply point out what’s missing as you guys following a movement have to also realize what is it that you are actually following/supporting without taking into consideration the most important points as to how is that ever going to be placed into real-actual-physical application.

Getting rid of money is simply the first huge mistake being proposed –

Research the Equal Money System – ground yourself into Equality and until then, we will not stop.  
If Equality is considered within this movement, then both solutions will meet in the way. That’s a certainty – if not, then we may know it was never actually real. 

Thanks.

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(Anonymous) (68.149.230.7) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 05:30 pm (local)

Subject: your critique of the zeitgeist movement

“Hello,

I’ve been following the information presented by the zeitgeist movement
for about a year, and I happened upon your journal through my google
alerts about it.

I just wanted to mention to you that your points about building super
cities while billions of people starve is bang on, but what you’re
missing about the intent of the movement altogether is that we know that
nothing like that has ever been tried before.. so to build one is just
the first stage.”

See the common sense point here: how are you even going to build an entire CITY in this world – and with no money? How is that not contradicting itself from the proposals of the movement?
The fact that it hasn’t been ‘tried before’ doesn’t mean that it’s the best proposal/solution at all. Thus such first stage would take a huge period of time to only THEN see ‘if it works’ while the world crumbles apart. Nice one.


“If it all takes off and it all happens, it’s with the
full intent of spreading ready and easy access to housing and food for
everyone in the human civilization, so long as it’s their desire to
participate”

The first line is anything but concrete and actually flying high into the air –nothing will ‘happen’ and nothing will ‘take off’ with no practical actual steps and achievable/doable proper planning.

Before even getting to the point of trying to provide housing/food for everyone on the planet, you will have to explain to me how is that going to work within the context of economy, how is that going to be ‘given’, how is that even going to be managed? Who’s going to be managing that? Which is most important to then know who will be ‘the head’ of this entire scheme.

“With the application of things like vertical hydroponic
farming and the like, food could be produced in such abundance that those
who are going without now, could be helped from afar, at the same time as
developing similar technologies local to the people who are suffering so
they can have the means right in their own backyard.”

That sounds ‘nice’ in theory though, who’s gonna provide all the money to create such technology?
who’s gonna decide who takes what first and who’ll have to ‘wait in line’ before such stuff gets to them?
Who will be working to actually construct/manufacture and deliver this type of technology?
And once again: with no money?

and no actual consideration of the entire food industry to create those changes? As long as these solutions aren’t backed up by an actual plan that considers how these seemingly ‘small changes’ affect the whole in a structural way, they are still not realistic and can be considered as simple pipe-dreams.


“It’s a global
movement, which is why there is no push to fundraise and build the
happytime future city for the zeitgeist-minded people to go off to and
live happily ever after while everyone else goes without.”

I see contradiction – it is a global movement yet not really wanting to create solid funds – this then shows the lack of understanding of how this world works and moves which is all by/through/as MONEY.

So, then if you say that there is no push for the building of such cities, then what are the first concrete steps then?

“Besides, if
there’s one place that DOES figure out how to take care of themselves,
and the shit hits the fan in the next town over, the people from that
town will come to try to take their share anyways. That’s why it’d never
work to do all of that in isolation.”

I highlight ‘and the shit hits the fan’ which is revealing part of the motivation for millions following the Zeitgeist Movement – rather wanting to have a boat to escape when things go wrong which would only be our own manifested consequences as the entire disregard of ourselves as Life as equals and thus abusing/harming ourselves and every living being in this planet. Thus the solution would have to be an immediate application for EVERYONE equally – not only ‘Zeitgeist sympathizers’ which is something I still don’t get any proper information on the actual concrete plan to follow for that.

‘Come and try to take their share anyways’ – see the underlying anarchism and total mayhem ‘getting rid of money’ can create? Lol, human beings cannot be trusted at all – I would certainly NOT want to depend on a human being to ‘get my share’- this is HOW and WHY Money is required – it’s plain stupidity believing that the ‘good will of men’ will care for one another as equals – Not yet, not now, not even less without money as a means of making sure that everyone gets the equal amount as basic foundation to live.

So, if it’s not an ‘isolated movement’, then what are the actual-practical steps applicable to all human beings–regardless of them being ‘literate’ on the movement?

Consider those that have no proper education to even grasp the ideas you are presenting, consider those that cannot afford having ‘internet’ to read your website.

What’s the thing even the poorest most isolated beings know about? Money.

Simple.


“And also, an aside, everything in Jacque Fresco’s drawings and concepts
is very possible to do today.. we just, as a society, choose not to,
because there’s more money in decay than a lasting infrastructure. What
happens to all the plumbers jobs when the pipes are built to last? Much
better to keep the economy going with halfassed stuff”

The fact that these are all ‘aside’ points shows that there is no actual core of it as a base foundation to develop this.

IT’s not about ‘inventions’ and ‘lasting infrastructure’ – that is obviously being created as non-lasting due to the necessity to keep industries running, to keep creating profit and assuring the market of people depending on such goods/products/services as well as infrastructure – In my country for example, the worst type of materials are used to build highways because the government decides to take the most for their own pocket and ensuring that such highway will only last for their term in office – and so the cycle repeats ad nauseam. All because of Money and profit. Thus yes when building things to last human activity will change – but we first focus on what’s HERE.

“Speaking of Haiti, I, and many, many others like me, I’m sure would be
thrilled to go down there and help with the cleanup and restoration
efforts, but can’t, because we’re busy with tedious jobs so we can make
the money to cover rent at home.”

There is much more events like this that will take place on Earth, even if we wanted to help and restore and ‘save’ it is impossible – it is manifested consequences that are part of human beings realizing the extent of harm and abuse done unto life – though that seems to be out of common sense realizations for people within this world – as if it was a simple casualty.

Charity, people ‘helping’ is not a definitive solution either – that entire country would have to be rebuilt to be stable again – that requires MONEY for now which is not there thus, as long as we don’t solve the MONEY problem, not much can be done. It would be definitely useless to go there while you create further debt in your life.

“I just can’t see how giving everyone the same amount of meaningless
pieces of paper, or 1’s and 0’s in a digital bank account is going to fix
anything. Especially in areas where there IS no work, there are no jobs,
and they’d spend all their ‘equal money’, some food company would take it
all, give them a month’s worth, and then we’d be back where we started.”

We are giving Money a Real-Physical Meaning – just as resource-based economy but with a VALUE in it – a numerical, counting tool that is worth Life-Support and that can be given to everyone Equally. For that there must be obvious significant changes as to how Money is conceived now and thus also understanding the entire system and its intricate relationship with money as value upon everything that is here.

Equal Money wouldn’t imply a silly idea such as ‘placing all your money in front of the banks’ and jumping happily – no.

Equal Money System implies a complete change in how we as humans and all living beings exist in this world within the single First step of changing the value of Money as Life: Money = Life given to everyone as a first step to empower everyone Equally – this is an All-Inclusive system practically applied by money.

Thus if everyone receives Life Support = Money, we all have an Equal starting point to then start taking care of the places that require to be Equalized to have a Dignified Living – thus we are implying that places with the most necessity are Priority to support.

Companies would be part of the system, schools, entertainment everything would be part of the same Equal Life system otherwise any type of clever/greedy human being can take advantage – this is how control is required, this is How and Why Money is required for proper management of resources and services for all people. Now, this single point obviously will take time and first of all understanding which is then requiring Re-Education.

People will have to re-educate themselves to even use money, to work with themselves to stop greed, to stop only caring about themselves and start realizing that we have to care about each one as Equals – which is the one single basic point we are practically working with at this moment as an individual Process of Self Honesty and Self Forgiveness to practically physically change how we live within as individuals in our reality so that we can then start externalizing this change into our society – this has to be taken through actual Education which is already Here and being walked by many in this World as part of Desteni as the Equal Money System 

So suggest you take a look at it, it’s all about Practical Application – otherwise it’s easy to fly high in the sky.

thanks

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(Anonymous) (90.230.175.219) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 05:54 pm (local)

Subject: You are 99% correct!

“I must say i love you! i read the whole thing with this huge smile on my
face. You are correct. And what’s so funny about it is that what you say
is exactly what The Zeitgeist Movement tries to point out to the public
and its member. The basic, single most important and first step is to
change the values of people today, to re-educate. That’s exactly what
Zeitgeist is talking about.

This is what is said in Zeitgeist: Addendum (the second film): "We must
mobilize and educate everyone about the inherent corruption of our
current world system. Along with the only true sustainable solution:
Declaring all the natural resources on the planet as the common heritage
to all people.[...]

The choice lies with you. You can continue to be a slave under the
current system, and see endless wars, depressions and injustice across
the globe while play-kidding yourself with vain entertainment and
materialistic garbage. Or, you can focus your energy on true, lasting,
holistic change. Which actually has the realistic ability to support and
free humans, with no-one left behind. But, in the end, the most relevant
change must first occur inside of you. The real revolution is the
revolution of consciousness and each one of us first needs to eliminate
the diversionary, materialistic noise we have been conditioned to think
is true. While discovering, amplifying and aligning with the signal,
coming from our true, empirical oneness. It is up to you." – Peter Joseph
1:55:47 to 1:57:13 Zeitgeist: Addendum”

Okay, sounds cool and wonderful –nice motive-action but: how is it then planned to be placed into actual Action, how is that able to be practically taken by everyone? If you for example have ‘made that decision’, what are You doing and how are you Practically Living that Inner-Change, that Self-Change?

“You are a wonderful human and the world needs more that thinks like you.
It would be amazing if someone like you helped us to create a better
world for everyone. Please look further into Zeitgeist and the Venus
Project to fully understand them, I’m sorry to say it but 2h and 40 min
can’t explain a whole new way of thinking and a whole new society.

Please contact me and ask me anything if you have any question or want to
discuss the subject”

//David – member of The Zeitgeist Movement for 2 years, thinking and
fighting for all the starving humans in the world”

I am already ‘there’ Practically moving myself walking the Process of Self Honesty as a way to Re-Educate ourselves to be able to co-exist as Equals in this world, developing Common Sense as applying what’s Best for All in everything we do, say and act upon. Thus if Zeitgeist’s solution is really ‘What’s Best for All’ we will meet on the way – if not then we’ll know that some steps had to be taken and considered first. 

Thus we are already a group of people destined to Support ourselves first to walk this Process while also working in developing the Equal Money System which I suggest you take a look at which will enable you to see the missing points that I’ve pointed out in the original post as a critique to the Zeitgeist Movement.

We do have concrete-applicable plans and we are already walking them – we are an active group around the web – you can research us as Desteni and Equal Money System – we’ll pop up there.

Give yourself the opportunity to read about Equality and how this is the one single Principle that must be the directive point within all attempts of projects/solutions as a lasting and consistent way to implement a better life, a dignified Life for every single person in this world.

Visit the Equal Money System website as well as watching all videos and material available in YouTube.

Thanks for your comment, David.

Marlen Vargas Del Razo


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