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355. Activism and Mind Control

 

Time to get some critical thinking skills here to test whether you are emotionally driven to Change the System or supporting causes that have no viability to be implemented and generate permanent solutions that can correct the ways in which we are individually and collectively creating the world system we are all realizing must be corrected – is Activism the way to do this?

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Problems – Part 1                                         

  • Could it be that the same mind control techniques that in the past century were used to make people compulsively buy and link this experience to a sense of freedom, self determination and democratic values are now being utilized to generate a binding force through an empathic emotional experience between individuals that are informed and/or get to ‘know the truth’ about the reality of how the world system through functions through specific documentaries and audiovisual materials that end up ‘uniting’ people under the banner of ‘standing up to the system’ with promoting apolitical and mostly illegal and off the grid plans to ‘get away from the system/ boycott the system’ and establish/create ‘free societies’? We have witnessed how by the same principle of The Shock Doctrine, People united by a common feeling about  a common particular subject are easily controllable once they are united with an emotional bond and necessary directions to be pulled out from creating and establishing any real solutions in this world.

 

  • Activism in the 21st century is being engineered in the same way that the Propaganda techniques developed by Edward Bernays in the 20th century were used to instill new values in the American society that lead to benefit the corporate agenda to be fulfilled and become what we currently live in as a corporate totalitarian capitalistic system.  Pictures, Sounds and Words were used in order to motivate individuals to buy, consume and experience happiness, linking the power of acquisition with a sense of Self Determination, Freedom and Democracy, which made the individuals believe they were living with absolute free will and free choice – The very Revelation Process of these techniques used to control people in the past century are now being used as a way to unite people that are now ‘aware’ of how the system works and are aware of the Mind Control  techniques, the hidden history of our nations, the real ‘powers’ in our society, etc.,  but at the same time this same people are now being unaware of how these movements are created using the very same mechanisms that they are now aware of were used to control people in the past, such as emotional and visual manipulation that is commonly felt by people that in the case of becoming aware of the world system, create a common experience of feeling enraged, angered, frustrated, cheated and betrayed, forming an emotional binding force used to now invert Bernays’ techniques to make people buy, consume and be happy to now use them on  the people that are aware of this mind control itself in order to deviate their obvious experiences as a result of ‘finding out the truth,’ deviating their awareness of the problems in this world  to a non-challenging set of organizations in order to be further contained/maintained in a controlled form of ‘Activism’  and kept ‘at bay’ using the same emotional irrational experiences of the humans and channeling them through a new  ‘Pursuit of happiness’ in a reversed manner which is not through buying and consuming, but in the form of boycotting the system, creating revolutions, protests, off the grid solutions and civil disobedience – all of this generating the same experiences that people in the past century – and unfortunately even till today – are still existing in which is a sense of freedom, self determination and an adulterated version of Democracy as the right to determine our future outside of the system.

 

  • We could also make a parallel to how with the banner of ‘Freedom’ the exercise of ‘Free Market Capitalism’ was meant to give the individuals absolute free range to do business without having any form of governmental regulation, we all know and are living in the consequences of corporate savage greed that has had no limitations till this day to continue growing their profits and maintaining the wealth in the hands of a few. That is their pursuit of happiness and they are the same individuals that most of the activism is now fighting against, not realizing that the solutions they present stand within the same bounds of what a Free Market Capitalist was advocating: “no intervention of the government, let us do everything our way” – bad idea, to say the least.

 

  • It became part of our new discoveries that people were in fact being Mind Controlled and lead to consume in order to experience happiness, fulfillment, self determination and freedom.  This was made public by major companies like the BBC and Adam Curtis’ The Century of the Self, where the public got educated on what has been a form of Mind Control in the 20th century in relation to consumerism. However this same new understanding and realizations about the money system, the elites, the corporations, the banking systems, the 99% and any other point that is now considered as ‘exposing the truth’ are being used to generate films, documentaries or visual materials with very well engineered emotional and future projection content in order to provide for a salvation, a remedy  and hope for a ‘way out’ of the prison once that ‘the truth is out’ about the reality we’ve been living in.  These movements became the receptacles of these thousands if not millions of people around the world that have felt cheated, betrayed and used by the government, the authorities, the religious systems and essentially every single aspect of the world system that we all once trusted to be ‘flawed’ but ‘at least working.’ Well, we all know that the real ‘working’ was in fact being provided by our coerced participation in the system to generate the most profits for a minority, while being fed dreams glued to a carrot on a stick.

 

  • The experience of rage, desolation, depression, anger and disempowerment are generated while watching these very well produced documentaries where the individual is being exposed and witnessing ‘the truth’ being unveiled in front of their eyes, which required a necessary net or ‘channeling’ to ensure that people would not just find out about the secret societies, illuminati, the banking systems, the elites, etc., and plan to take over the government or do massive rioting or anything else that the human race in absolute emotional state could lead themselves to do. This required a solution masked in the best way possible to ensure no one suspects about it being part of the necessary control mechanisms to keep people at bay. This is how we suddenly had an emergence of alternative movements, activist and protest groups that suddenly got a lot of exposure in the internet, the conventional media and even shown in schools and  universities around the world as new instruments for education – for a moment we thought that the world was going to suddenly become a better place now that ‘the truth was out’ but this didn’t precisely go that way.

 

  • We got to understand and know more about the details of the  fallacy of our money system, the fallacy of the governmental powers, the elites, the bloodlines, the belief systems that we are indoctrinated with in our schooling systems, religions, entertainment, media and the list goes on wherein our entire social construction can be exposed as one huge ‘conspiracy theory’ – yet it is in fact only becoming aware of the basic set-up that has prevailed as the best way to enslave humans with ideals of progress and eventual ‘ideal wealth’ where at the same time,  desires to be liberated/  freed are fed and instilled in people that get emotionally driven to a point of having to Do something about it and not knowing how to direct such impulse.

 

  • The  role of Activism in all its various forms that we will discuss here are ‘doing a great job’ to further entertain all the individuals that hold an actual potential to contribute and develop actual changes in this world, remaining contained advocating ‘solutions’ without any clear direction and funding to do so – furthermore, if the funding exists, one would have to question the absolute integrity  of every single corporation or private investor and disclose their intentions in the long run when dealing with the consent of large groups of individuals motivated with the desire and intent to create changes for the betterment of our lives. Again, no real change in this world at a system level would in fact be getting any funds from any corporation that is currently standing in the name of protecting the system that they have based and created their own wealth upon.  As a secondary point,  you can investigate who funded art movements in the 20th Century in America after the Great Depression and with what political purposes as well – this means that art and ‘freedom movements’ have only been the necessary agitation to maintain people at bay yet with the belief of ‘doing something’ and ‘changing the world’ without practically getting to set the foundation of any real tangible and practical solutions.

 

  • The revelations about the ‘real powers’ that govern our world system created a new breed of social movements united once again by an Experience of ‘wanting change’ and being enraged against a system thanks to visually charged movies that create a new sense of collectivity standing up to change the system, which would be great if they had not been funneled down to ‘solutions’ that propose solutions  by ‘all means but Politics.’ It seems rather foolish that if there was any real ability in such movements to create a legitimate change in the system, they would have been already labeled as terrorists and secluded for attempt and/or confabulation of  treason to their country. However this was not the case – Why? Because it is in the best interest of the government to keep people Occupied trying to ‘change the world’ yelling at buildings, projecting futuristic cities, appealing to the more ‘scientifically inclined’ people as a generation that grew up watching star trek, star wars and reading Ray Bradbury alike. Then we have the groups formed appealing to the conspiracy theorists, the 9/11’s, the esoteric agendas, ancient mysteries and illuminati control exposure along with the Wiki leaks and tin-foil hatters.

 

  • We  have the public protest movements appealing to the guerilla style movements that prefer to blame the corporations, bankers and government officials for the ills in this world. The movements are based on  living in parks in means of protest, flip fingers at the people in financial districts, governmental houses, parliaments or embassies and raging against the machine believing that: ‘united we can create change’ not realizing that they were also being united by a feeling of ‘being right’ to ‘fight for our rights’ but we have forgotten where all our past revolutions have lead to: nothing else but further incorporation of the opposition to engulf the protests and upgrade the system. Even if most ‘public demonstrations’/ protests are meant to be pacific in nature, the end result is always entailing a confrontation with the police and resulting in sever violence. This is where we then can have an escalation to looting, vandalism and further exercises of civil disobedience. These are the ones that demonstrate and create more of that emotional upheaval that is easily mimicked in other cities and countries, which is standing with the belief that demanding en masse creates the necessary pressure to change things. As a personal note, I live in a city where public demonstrations take place every single day, it is clearly not the solution otherwise changes would have already been made, it is not so and it’s been an ongoing problem without any actual solution – why? Because unless we establish change at an economic level, not even yelling at politicians will make a difference to solve the injustices and abuse generated by our current corporate totalitarian capitalistic system.

 

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In the Next post we will continue with exposing the Activism of the 21st century and who this ties in with Equal Money and the creation of our movement to create solutions that are established at an individual level while promoting the complete reform of the economic and political system to establishing solutions through democratic means.

 

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276. Why Do We LOVE FREE Stuff?

Both words Love and Free entail the utmost fallacy and life-abuse, yes, keep reading and you’ll understand why.

 

“Social change organization have been marginalized by the idea that support must be FREE as they give support FREE–but in fact it is subsidized by corporations to be able to provide FREE stuff –This addiction to FREE STUFF is ensuring that the 99% cannot stand up and fund change –Every one is trapped in self interest where FREE STUFF determine decisions — Some common sense that a group must be funded should be realized if change is ever to become a global solution –as long as value is equal to FREE STUFF, the brainwashing trap all in the prison of Money Bottom of Form” – Bernard Poolman

 

This is an Eye-Opening statement that we usually obviously have mostly ignored wherein we have become so used to falling for all the ‘free stuff’ and believe that there are actual ‘free’ things in life. We obviously ignore that there is no-thing in this world that can be carried out without having a point of consumption/extraction/ work/ actions/ time that leads to a certain consequence. This is how whenever people say ‘Hey, watch Zeitgeist!’ and point out their solution being ‘burning all the money/ eradicating the money system’ is a clear indication that brainwashing has been quite deep to understand the implications of what it means to pay for something as a process of acknowledging/ understanding of the resources, processes and labor that took place to create such ‘thing’ that then becomes ‘free’. Sure, the Earth don’t charge us Money for what is grown here, however the ecosystems run through natural processes wherein certainly a lot of life and death processes take place, which obviously imply consumption, relationships, deterioration of the environment which is now carrying all the effects of all these activities lived-out by the inhabitants – the effects of this is demonstrating what happens when we  break the natural cycles of this physical reality in order to establish quantum time mind-desires on a space-time reality where things take Time and actual Work to develop. This is the consequence of implementing our mind-reality upon physical reality: absolute destruction and a constant unstopping depletion of life on Earth, within this, removing Money from the equation can only lead to further unawareness of the actual forces that have made of our current system seemingly sustainable, which is human labor along with the resources that are certainly ‘not for free’ as we’ve explained just now.

 

The way we have been educated is to believe in ‘Freedom’ and as such this libertinage leads to the idea/belief of ‘Free Stuff’ that is a perfect and suitable concept for a capitalist system that promised freedom through consumption – you can watch the Century of Self for self-education purposes and understand the role of Public Relations as the actual cogwheels that use the mind-ingrained patterns to create a sense of ‘independence’ and ‘empowerment’ through buying/ consuming from where this whole idea of Freedom comes from in order to in fact Sell More/ Consume more – did it work? Just look around yourself and this entire world, of course it did which is only possible due to us having been ignorant of the actual forces at work within/as our own mind.

 

If wee look at the tactics to create junkies/ drug addicts, the dealer first gives a ‘free sample’ to the person as a bait in order to expand the clientele, since there is quite a high percentage of certainty that the person will come back for more, this time obviously there won’t be any ‘free stuff’ to take. I place this example to make more obvious the implications of how we believe that receiving free stuff is ‘cool’ without measuring the actual agenda behind such belief and ignoring the fact that nothing is ever really benevolent and ‘free’ and as such, it should never be valued as something ‘truly positive’ in our consumerist society since no-product/ no-thing that is given ‘for free’ is devoid of being an actual product of physical and logistic processes that involve a production process in order to get to be something that can be ‘given for free.’ This should already make it clear that ‘free stuff’ is a delusion.

 

When we look at sales and how we believe that things are in fact ‘cheaper’ or ‘on sale,’  we in fact ignore that the retail prices of things are usually hundreds of times more than the actual cost of production – which is usually done and paid as ‘slave labor/ cheap pay’ and as such, the owner deciding to earn a ‘little less’ to sell more through placing things “on sale” is just another tactic to in fact get rid of all the merchandise to get all the new stuff in store and continue selling at ‘normal prices’ just because it is ‘new stuff’ and ‘no longer on sale’ – Great Lies. Again: there is no ‘real benevolence’ or positivity in ‘free stuff’ if you actually look at what makes it possible for you to even become aware of such ‘free stuff.’

 

Now, in terms of us at Desteni being a a group that was funded by people that understand the implications of being Equal in all ways within this world and process toward change that implies being Equal to the System that we all live in, it is obvious that we are not exempt of using money to survive and continue expanding just like any other person/business that requires money to live. We understand how the system works and this is why we are providing Education such as the Desteni I Process and educational material at Eqafe in order to continue expanding the already 6 years of providing unconditional support to any being within the internet at the Desteni Forum, through all our blogs/vlogs in our Journey To Life and the free courses like the Desteni Lite Process. All of these process imply the dedication of a full time job- certainly implying More time than your regular 9-5 job, a lot of preparation and financial stability in order to be well fed, well educated and having the available time to support more beings, because we understand that the Key to Self Change is through Education, and that’s what we currently provide as well as the solution for a global change that we are currently busy implementing as the Equal Money Capitalism proposal. All of this implies having just what any other human being on this current world system has in order to Live Well: the necessary income to have the available time to provide such services is not given just by ‘spreading self support’ and just consuming air to breathe – that’s obviously Not how it works.

 

If we look at a ‘spiritual teacher’ and an example is here,you’ll hear how it’s fairly easy to link a positive message to self-promotion for meditation and all other forms of psychic abilities, intuition and ‘connecting with your angels,’ which we all know is all bullshit and using blatant tactics to sell some made-up services that people pay for within a self-enlightened interest mode. This seen as ‘okay’ because ‘it’s stuff that you want to hear’ and as such is considered positive, the same way we believe candies are positive and fun and believe this is so until kids turn hyperactive and show early cavities in their teeth, along with elevated levels of sugar – is that real fun and treats for our children?

I mean, if we wanted to make easy money by telling lies and speaking what people Like and Want to hear, we could be making great money – but, since we are speaking the reality of this world and providing tools for self support that imply no miracles and magical acts, people then are turned off because we all want this quick fix, easy-doings type of solutions wherein all that is realized is how we have become so used to our drive-through lifestyle wherein we literally just want to drive-through, ask for our order, get what we want in a few minutes and pay a few bucks for a process that does not involve only the ‘final product’ that you consume, but all the forces at work in order to make it possible for it to exist and as all ‘fast food’ and McDonald’s solutions, this implies animal abuse, labor abuse, exploitation, unhealthy foods that cause illnesses and diseases as well as certain sugar addictions that are not that ‘hard to quit’ once people believe it’s better to ‘buy McDonald’s than cooking fresh food at home.’ This here is the definition of  self-accepted slavery, isn’t it? This only an example that can be extended to virtually any other job in the world that we all depend on.

 

So, we want to create change but we want to give no money to fund it? How does that work? It’s plain to see that virtually everything we benefit from implies a process where money is involved, everything we wear, eat, use on a daily basis is money, the houses, the cars, the so called ‘free areas’ implied money to pay for the labor to build them, education, even growing food is currently not a ‘free act’ either since you have to Buy the seeds and the necessary nutriments to fertilize the Earth, pay for the water to water your crops, etc. We haven’t educated ourselves to understand the processes and actual work-force and resources-used to generate a sustainable system. Yet, we only learn to complain whenever something goes up in prices and are always waiting for ‘luvin’ the free stuff, the sales, the bargains and make ‘great deals’ with that. Right.

 

I am realizing to what extent I had been brainwashed with regards to money, how within certain contexts we make it ‘okay’ to pay for things and for others we believe that we should ‘have it for free,’ because we tend to look at the ‘final product’ and disregard all the amount of mouths fed, all the resources used, the time and education that a person requires in order to create a certain piece of product/ service that is provided. What’s more fascinating is how we even believe that organizations that are determined to Change the system should charge No money at all –how is such thing possible considering that money is the one thing that has enabled us to be in the current position of being educated beings around the world that are committed to fund for a change in this reality – otherwise we would be as voice-less as the 2+ billions of people that we are in fact standing up for, to create and establish a world system that In fact creates a correction from the very root of the flawed structure that we have all accepted ‘as is’ to finally benefit Them as well, the voiceless, the uneducated.

 

What’s more interesting and absolutely fascinating is that all the Education and material at Desteni and Eqafe explain precisely the keys that enable you to understand how change must take place, why we have to be In the system to create a change, where is the ‘problem’ stemming from and how to walk the correction beginning at an individual level. There is No other group in the world that provides the explanations from the very beginning of human civilization and even before time was created in order to understand how and why we are here in this current ‘mess’ we’ve all learned to complain about but never realize our self responsibility toward it,  how and why we have gotten ourselves to this current process of crisis and how Change must be funded with the very same money that we have used to abuse and enfilade beings to win the ‘war of life’ and abuse everyone else on the way.

 

So, the same way we have spoken of freedom being a fallacy and a concept word that sounds as good as ‘love,’ we expose the same with regards to ‘Free Stuff’ that constitute a fallacy in fact since there will always be mouths to feed, resources to consume and work-force-time directed to create such ‘free stuff.’ We can instead ask ourselves what type of enslavement are we accepting and allowing when expecting things to ‘be free’ instead of actually working to implement a system wherein actual freedom will be the ultimate law of equilibrium: equal rights = equal responsibilities and as such one can see that there are always actions and reactions, there is a force and consequence, there is an intention that creates an effect, there is an ability and a duty in equal-manner. That’s the basic giving and receiving consideration that must be understood in our society, to finally stop being brainwashed to think ‘there are free things’ and this ties in with the saying we have at Desteni ‘None is Free until All is Free’ and this is actually implying being free from the Money-Consciousness that we have all participating in wherein we have forgotten who we are as one and equal and the giving and receiving in equality this implies – instead, we have reduced everything to numeric values that we then believe are ‘more’ or ‘less’ than, which is precisely the system that we must transcend through understanding how we created money, why and how we have to use money in order to correct the deliberately abusive relationships we’ve funded with it. Just like anything else: if money became the problem = money becomes the solution.

Real Freedom can only exist when understanding how reality works and as such become an equal force to support to change how the current system that enable abuse operates, because this is our creation: we face it as the gods we have believed ourselves to be.

This is fairly simple: you contribute with paying for your self support and as such you are contributing to continue growing and expanding such support for others, this is the only way that we can ensure that people Hear the Solutions to Equalize Life for All living beings, wherein the same money that we have enslaved ourselves-to becomes our own actual key to freedom, a real one at last and only then can we dare to speak about real love and care for all as Equals.

 

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Jingle-bell solutions are Not ‘Best for ALL’

There’s a very basic point to understand when walking around the Desteni material and everyone’s vlogs and blogs – if you care about life in this world, about the environment, animals, humanity in all its aspects, you’ll resonate with what’s being said and eventually stand up in Equality with us.

Anyone that’s not willing to See the common sense of presenting ‘what is best for all’ is already indicating that they will not give up their individuality and ‘free choice’ which is eventually not giving a fuck about the rest of the world, life, animals or anything around them but satisfying their own guts. What’s best for all is not debatable, it cannot be denied when having this entire world as the direct result of all of us abdicating our self responsibility on this world and only ‘following our greatest excitement.’

Denigrating the truth as the reality of what is here is a self-protective mechanism to preserve ones preferences and apparent free-choices in place, as well as knowledge that is usually given too much value to form oneself as an opinionated person with a certain view on life – any ‘view’ that deviates from what’s best for all is a threat to anyone in this world – as simple as that. May seem totalitarian but that’s how reality is and anything that doesn’t correlate or represent facts but only knowledge that preserves separation will still hold any point of ego in place.

When we say: see for yourself, read the material – it’s about that process of self discovery that I completely agree with as this is how all of us came around Desteni. I spent months reading the forum, watching the videos before I participated fully in it – why/how? because I cared, because I saw how understanding the basics would allow me to have proper ability to discuss what was already clear and known to others there. That was my initial equalizing homework – I saw how effective this was hence I promote it as the way to go when getting to Desteni and/or Equal Money System. Along the way you participate and through that, get supported to understand and clarify all aspects for yourself through your own application.

 

I cannot understand how anyone that is apparently also interested in a solution would be disregarding the presentation and proposal of a system that will be best for all out of nowhere almost in an immediate manner, while remaining in an almost faithful-conviction to other projects and ‘solutions’ that are certainly not taking the whole into consideration.

We do our homework and investigate other solutions, yet the same point is often missed: equality as the life principle that’s best for ALL – no one is considering that the ‘unthinkable’ can actually be done such as reforming the entire monetary system for example and with that, revolutionizing the way every living being exists in this world, to finally get to live.

Examples are when getting to know of Zeitgeist –  from the movie time even before the ‘movement’ – we realized how it was cool information on economy, religions, the world, secret societies etc. as a general debunker of that which was still ‘hidden’ for the majority. Then the movement came without any actual practical solutions other than ditching the current monetary system in its totality and kind of dwelling upon the same territory that OWS (Occupy Movement) is at the moment.

When we investigated the Venus project we saw how the technological aspect of it could be used as well as any other cool innovations for the use of energy, but also realized they weren’t considering ‘what’s best for all’ in any way nor creating any reform to support the actual beingness of the human to become a real considerate individual of what’s best for al. We couldn’t find direct inclusion of those that are currently living in dire conditions within such solution. How could we get to exist in such paradise cities if there are people in this world that don’t even have potable water, food or a house to live in? That should say it all in terms of it being a partial solution that’s not really including everyone in this world.

 

Placing a cross to anything ‘money’ without seeing the equal next to it is indicating that they have to step out of their own prejudices and get to actually reading/ watching/ investigating the material if they are really interested in becoming part of the solution. Again, we’re not here to convince anyone – those who care of fellow beings will listen and understand it – if not right away- will take the time to read, watch, study = dare to care.

 

What happens is people are attracted to the jingle-bell solution of these nice cutting-edge sketches that Fresco envisions without having a look at the actual considerations such project would entail and how it simply won’t work as it’s not based on an overall living-change, but only creating solutions to keep/ maintain the same lifestyle of the human being. By Lifestyle I mean  the inner-experience of the being which is not taken into consideration and is the actual cause of the world being in the condition it is now – the problem is the human beings. So when self responsibility is placed on the plate, it doesn’t look so tasty or something I would ‘enjoy’ doing – it’s not a matter of enjoying it initially, it’s about common sense and directing oneself to live by a principle that’s never been lived in this world. One can only get the gist of it when getting to see how self support works along the walk once one starts living as the principles at hand. I can tell more about it, but it can only be my story, my experience and that is what I’m here to encourage every one to see for themselves once again.

 

None of the current crisis and problems would exist if the human didn’t exist. But because we do, the least thing we can do is create a complete change in the way we live in, to stop desiring to live in opulent make-believe realities and start re-aligning with the actual cycles of the biosphere we live in, this is taking life into consideration. Then money can be equalized as we will not be trading fake mental values – yes as redundant as that may seem – but will simply focus on creating sustainable and effective living environments for all involved: animals, plants, environment and the human being. We can only continue existing as Earthlings, there is no other way – the human greedy being must become Self Honest which is taking into consideration the whole before any other attempt to ‘evolve’  – which is not really existent at this stage.

Because such regard is mostly non-existent in human being, we must create it and this is what Desteni and Equal Money are all about: creating a world that’s best for all in Equality because it has never existed before.

 

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“Paradise Cities are Not the Solution”–2. Feedback Received

 

Continuing with the feedback received, answering comments: 
I suggest you join the Equal Money Forum for further discussion as Live Journal is not that practical for these means: http://equalmoney.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1587&p=2660#p2660

(Anonymous) (65.120.35.162) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 02:53 pm (local)

More research needed
**I’m not leaving this comment to attack you in any way. I just don’t want others to read this and think it is accurate”


The blog post is a perspective, an immediate correlation to the reality I see and live in – thus I am not stating it is ‘how it is’ – it’s just how things are when taking the proposal out of its cocoon.

“You don’t understand the movement. It is not a utopia like you and many many others have stated. It will not be some people living in the cities and others in mud. We understand that this will only work if these ideas are applied holistically.”

So you are saying that these type of cities would have to be built around the entire world? How on Earth is that even conceivable? That would be the correct application of ‘applied holistically’ so, I am still not getting a straight answer here.

“Many of the criticisms you have are addressed on TVP/TZM websites, and ironically, agree with you in some cases. I suggest you research the Venus Project more thoroughly. Watching the movies is only the very tip of the iceberg. Find some of Jacque’s lecture videos online. Operate scientifically, use critical thinking.

Have a great life! “

Jacque and Peter are still missing vital points: grounding themselves to this reality and grounding their ideas to an actual applicable and achievable way to create a betterment of this world and society – so far, no concrete plan son the table, all still ideas floating in the air.

We are here to simply point out what’s missing as you guys following a movement have to also realize what is it that you are actually following/supporting without taking into consideration the most important points as to how is that ever going to be placed into real-actual-physical application.

Getting rid of money is simply the first huge mistake being proposed –

Research the Equal Money System – ground yourself into Equality and until then, we will not stop.  
If Equality is considered within this movement, then both solutions will meet in the way. That’s a certainty – if not, then we may know it was never actually real. 

Thanks.

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(Anonymous) (68.149.230.7) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 05:30 pm (local)

Subject: your critique of the zeitgeist movement

“Hello,

I’ve been following the information presented by the zeitgeist movement
for about a year, and I happened upon your journal through my google
alerts about it.

I just wanted to mention to you that your points about building super
cities while billions of people starve is bang on, but what you’re
missing about the intent of the movement altogether is that we know that
nothing like that has ever been tried before.. so to build one is just
the first stage.”

See the common sense point here: how are you even going to build an entire CITY in this world – and with no money? How is that not contradicting itself from the proposals of the movement?
The fact that it hasn’t been ‘tried before’ doesn’t mean that it’s the best proposal/solution at all. Thus such first stage would take a huge period of time to only THEN see ‘if it works’ while the world crumbles apart. Nice one.


“If it all takes off and it all happens, it’s with the
full intent of spreading ready and easy access to housing and food for
everyone in the human civilization, so long as it’s their desire to
participate”

The first line is anything but concrete and actually flying high into the air –nothing will ‘happen’ and nothing will ‘take off’ with no practical actual steps and achievable/doable proper planning.

Before even getting to the point of trying to provide housing/food for everyone on the planet, you will have to explain to me how is that going to work within the context of economy, how is that going to be ‘given’, how is that even going to be managed? Who’s going to be managing that? Which is most important to then know who will be ‘the head’ of this entire scheme.

“With the application of things like vertical hydroponic
farming and the like, food could be produced in such abundance that those
who are going without now, could be helped from afar, at the same time as
developing similar technologies local to the people who are suffering so
they can have the means right in their own backyard.”

That sounds ‘nice’ in theory though, who’s gonna provide all the money to create such technology?
who’s gonna decide who takes what first and who’ll have to ‘wait in line’ before such stuff gets to them?
Who will be working to actually construct/manufacture and deliver this type of technology?
And once again: with no money?

and no actual consideration of the entire food industry to create those changes? As long as these solutions aren’t backed up by an actual plan that considers how these seemingly ‘small changes’ affect the whole in a structural way, they are still not realistic and can be considered as simple pipe-dreams.


“It’s a global
movement, which is why there is no push to fundraise and build the
happytime future city for the zeitgeist-minded people to go off to and
live happily ever after while everyone else goes without.”

I see contradiction – it is a global movement yet not really wanting to create solid funds – this then shows the lack of understanding of how this world works and moves which is all by/through/as MONEY.

So, then if you say that there is no push for the building of such cities, then what are the first concrete steps then?

“Besides, if
there’s one place that DOES figure out how to take care of themselves,
and the shit hits the fan in the next town over, the people from that
town will come to try to take their share anyways. That’s why it’d never
work to do all of that in isolation.”

I highlight ‘and the shit hits the fan’ which is revealing part of the motivation for millions following the Zeitgeist Movement – rather wanting to have a boat to escape when things go wrong which would only be our own manifested consequences as the entire disregard of ourselves as Life as equals and thus abusing/harming ourselves and every living being in this planet. Thus the solution would have to be an immediate application for EVERYONE equally – not only ‘Zeitgeist sympathizers’ which is something I still don’t get any proper information on the actual concrete plan to follow for that.

‘Come and try to take their share anyways’ – see the underlying anarchism and total mayhem ‘getting rid of money’ can create? Lol, human beings cannot be trusted at all – I would certainly NOT want to depend on a human being to ‘get my share’- this is HOW and WHY Money is required – it’s plain stupidity believing that the ‘good will of men’ will care for one another as equals – Not yet, not now, not even less without money as a means of making sure that everyone gets the equal amount as basic foundation to live.

So, if it’s not an ‘isolated movement’, then what are the actual-practical steps applicable to all human beings–regardless of them being ‘literate’ on the movement?

Consider those that have no proper education to even grasp the ideas you are presenting, consider those that cannot afford having ‘internet’ to read your website.

What’s the thing even the poorest most isolated beings know about? Money.

Simple.


“And also, an aside, everything in Jacque Fresco’s drawings and concepts
is very possible to do today.. we just, as a society, choose not to,
because there’s more money in decay than a lasting infrastructure. What
happens to all the plumbers jobs when the pipes are built to last? Much
better to keep the economy going with halfassed stuff”

The fact that these are all ‘aside’ points shows that there is no actual core of it as a base foundation to develop this.

IT’s not about ‘inventions’ and ‘lasting infrastructure’ – that is obviously being created as non-lasting due to the necessity to keep industries running, to keep creating profit and assuring the market of people depending on such goods/products/services as well as infrastructure – In my country for example, the worst type of materials are used to build highways because the government decides to take the most for their own pocket and ensuring that such highway will only last for their term in office – and so the cycle repeats ad nauseam. All because of Money and profit. Thus yes when building things to last human activity will change – but we first focus on what’s HERE.

“Speaking of Haiti, I, and many, many others like me, I’m sure would be
thrilled to go down there and help with the cleanup and restoration
efforts, but can’t, because we’re busy with tedious jobs so we can make
the money to cover rent at home.”

There is much more events like this that will take place on Earth, even if we wanted to help and restore and ‘save’ it is impossible – it is manifested consequences that are part of human beings realizing the extent of harm and abuse done unto life – though that seems to be out of common sense realizations for people within this world – as if it was a simple casualty.

Charity, people ‘helping’ is not a definitive solution either – that entire country would have to be rebuilt to be stable again – that requires MONEY for now which is not there thus, as long as we don’t solve the MONEY problem, not much can be done. It would be definitely useless to go there while you create further debt in your life.

“I just can’t see how giving everyone the same amount of meaningless
pieces of paper, or 1’s and 0’s in a digital bank account is going to fix
anything. Especially in areas where there IS no work, there are no jobs,
and they’d spend all their ‘equal money’, some food company would take it
all, give them a month’s worth, and then we’d be back where we started.”

We are giving Money a Real-Physical Meaning – just as resource-based economy but with a VALUE in it – a numerical, counting tool that is worth Life-Support and that can be given to everyone Equally. For that there must be obvious significant changes as to how Money is conceived now and thus also understanding the entire system and its intricate relationship with money as value upon everything that is here.

Equal Money wouldn’t imply a silly idea such as ‘placing all your money in front of the banks’ and jumping happily – no.

Equal Money System implies a complete change in how we as humans and all living beings exist in this world within the single First step of changing the value of Money as Life: Money = Life given to everyone as a first step to empower everyone Equally – this is an All-Inclusive system practically applied by money.

Thus if everyone receives Life Support = Money, we all have an Equal starting point to then start taking care of the places that require to be Equalized to have a Dignified Living – thus we are implying that places with the most necessity are Priority to support.

Companies would be part of the system, schools, entertainment everything would be part of the same Equal Life system otherwise any type of clever/greedy human being can take advantage – this is how control is required, this is How and Why Money is required for proper management of resources and services for all people. Now, this single point obviously will take time and first of all understanding which is then requiring Re-Education.

People will have to re-educate themselves to even use money, to work with themselves to stop greed, to stop only caring about themselves and start realizing that we have to care about each one as Equals – which is the one single basic point we are practically working with at this moment as an individual Process of Self Honesty and Self Forgiveness to practically physically change how we live within as individuals in our reality so that we can then start externalizing this change into our society – this has to be taken through actual Education which is already Here and being walked by many in this World as part of Desteni as the Equal Money System 

So suggest you take a look at it, it’s all about Practical Application – otherwise it’s easy to fly high in the sky.

thanks

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(Anonymous) (90.230.175.219) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 05:54 pm (local)

Subject: You are 99% correct!

“I must say i love you! i read the whole thing with this huge smile on my
face. You are correct. And what’s so funny about it is that what you say
is exactly what The Zeitgeist Movement tries to point out to the public
and its member. The basic, single most important and first step is to
change the values of people today, to re-educate. That’s exactly what
Zeitgeist is talking about.

This is what is said in Zeitgeist: Addendum (the second film): "We must
mobilize and educate everyone about the inherent corruption of our
current world system. Along with the only true sustainable solution:
Declaring all the natural resources on the planet as the common heritage
to all people.[…]

The choice lies with you. You can continue to be a slave under the
current system, and see endless wars, depressions and injustice across
the globe while play-kidding yourself with vain entertainment and
materialistic garbage. Or, you can focus your energy on true, lasting,
holistic change. Which actually has the realistic ability to support and
free humans, with no-one left behind. But, in the end, the most relevant
change must first occur inside of you. The real revolution is the
revolution of consciousness and each one of us first needs to eliminate
the diversionary, materialistic noise we have been conditioned to think
is true. While discovering, amplifying and aligning with the signal,
coming from our true, empirical oneness. It is up to you." – Peter Joseph
1:55:47 to 1:57:13 Zeitgeist: Addendum”

Okay, sounds cool and wonderful –nice motive-action but: how is it then planned to be placed into actual Action, how is that able to be practically taken by everyone? If you for example have ‘made that decision’, what are You doing and how are you Practically Living that Inner-Change, that Self-Change?

“You are a wonderful human and the world needs more that thinks like you.
It would be amazing if someone like you helped us to create a better
world for everyone. Please look further into Zeitgeist and the Venus
Project to fully understand them, I’m sorry to say it but 2h and 40 min
can’t explain a whole new way of thinking and a whole new society.

Please contact me and ask me anything if you have any question or want to
discuss the subject”

//David – member of The Zeitgeist Movement for 2 years, thinking and
fighting for all the starving humans in the world”

I am already ‘there’ Practically moving myself walking the Process of Self Honesty as a way to Re-Educate ourselves to be able to co-exist as Equals in this world, developing Common Sense as applying what’s Best for All in everything we do, say and act upon. Thus if Zeitgeist’s solution is really ‘What’s Best for All’ we will meet on the way – if not then we’ll know that some steps had to be taken and considered first. 

Thus we are already a group of people destined to Support ourselves first to walk this Process while also working in developing the Equal Money System which I suggest you take a look at which will enable you to see the missing points that I’ve pointed out in the original post as a critique to the Zeitgeist Movement.

We do have concrete-applicable plans and we are already walking them – we are an active group around the web – you can research us as Desteni and Equal Money System – we’ll pop up there.

Give yourself the opportunity to read about Equality and how this is the one single Principle that must be the directive point within all attempts of projects/solutions as a lasting and consistent way to implement a better life, a dignified Life for every single person in this world.

Visit the Equal Money System website as well as watching all videos and material available in YouTube.

Thanks for your comment, David.

Marlen Vargas Del Razo


“Paradise Cities are Not the Solution”–1. Feedback Received

I’ll be taking some time to go through the comments posted in this livejournal blog reached by members of the Zeitgeist Movement which I see it as cool to create a point of clarity and understanding without having to ‘oppose’ and fight – that’s the first thing I find cool about all of them which I’ll be replying here as another blog-entry as livejournal does suck at managing comments and having proper information of people when commenting –except for those that left their names and emails for further contact – thanks, accountability starts with speaking in one’s own name.

 

Okay so here’s the first reply:

(Anonymous) (174.52.168.15) wrote:
Feb. 1st, 2011 04:32 pm (local)

 

Subject: Zeitgeist Movement
“Every problem you have stated in the opinion above is addressed by the
ZM, not as fixed or dogmatic but as an ongoing conversation about those
subjects. The ZM has as its primary goal the education of the population
of the world into a sustainable future, by the realization that existing
systems do not work and in fact cause most of the unsustainable factors,
and science has already discovered means to create a sustainable future.
It’s all about how people think. 
We choose to go with science, because it seems to give the most reliable
working data. After all, Science is the study of Nature, and that is the
direction of human survival.”

Peter Josephs’ approach to the application of the scientific method as ourselves – meaning outside of the regular contrived ways of ‘science’ itself, is cool as a way to get to know ourselves- though the starting point has to be re-evaluated – we suggest Self Honesty as we realize that as you say “It’s all about how people think” and thoughts driven into actions is what has created this entire reality as it is. Human Survival is systematic, meaning there’s more to it than simple human observation – an actual understanding would imply getting to know how this reality has been created, how we’ve been existing as Mind Consciousness Systems within this reality and how we’ve created the current Money System as that Energetic-Enslavement which has defined the entire ‘relationship’ that we have and create with anything/anyone in this world – thus it’s a bit more than just observing, but getting to know the core of how and why we have as human race never actually evolved but just shifted through pictures – without ever actually in essence changing the infamous ‘human nature’ which is the core point we’re looking at and directing-towards in this post.

Such ‘reliable working data’ as science is subject to the observer as the mind that hasn’t actually been able to see itself outside of the mind – thus the relevance of getting to know the facts of this reality to understand how the entire system was deliberately set up to fail to live in a balanced-harmonious way. This is why Re-Education as a deliberate repetition of self-willed actions is an active way of changing such human nature to start developing common sense – as always thinking, speaking, writing and communicating what’s best for all and live by such ways through a Process of Self Honesty – and thus to actually implement it in each one’s lives as actual-actions, deeds, words that are lived that can definitely create a better understanding of this reality as our own creation – hence realizing the focus for now, must be the individual itself –before thinking ‘out of the box’ from that perspective. First things first – focusing on self is the primary point as starting point to be the actual change.

“We consider almost everything else to be irrelevant. There are people of
all religions in the ZM.

Religions imply separation of people – religions have lead to wars – wars are obviously Not best for all as they end up in conflicts of harm and abuse towards fellow man when standing within a self-created identification as part of a group/culture/race above all human basic equality-points. Thus, we don’t support them, we don’t allow them as they are in itself a tampering point to realize Equality and Self Responsibility fully – as the moment you believe in something, you must know you are delegating a part of yourself onto something/someone else –be it greater or not – the single allowance of anything separate from ourselves is indeed separation.


“The first movie Peter made, Zeitgeist: The Movie, was his personal art
project before he met Jacque Fresco and the Zeitgeist Movement started.
The movies after that gives data as to why we have come to the
conclusions we have. But the movies are only a tiny part of the Movement,
with the ongoing conversation being far more important.”

 

Sticking to simplicity it’s what works best in terms of ‘coming to terms’ with anything – this reality requires simple solutions, simple actions that can be taken by any individual human being that’s simply willing to start caring to bring about a solution to this world. Thus this ‘task’ isn’t taken out of self, but it is instead Embraced AS Self First as we understand how opinions are the building blocks of illusion and opinions create differences that stand in the way of common sense = what’s best for all Life in Equality – that’s the principle all living beings should consider before engaging in any con.versation about changing the world. 


“We are not about cities… that is just showing what is technologically
possible for everyone on the planet, if they choose to live in cities…
if they don’t, that’s fine too, and what we are about is making it
possible for everyone on the planet to have vastly better than their
survival necessities, and do it without even wage slavery, AND do it
without ecological destruction. No livingry is discounted or ignored.
Weaponry, on the other hand is absolutely rejected.”

 

Technology is a great tool indeed, though it is just that – a tool, a medium to propagate this ideas for now and unite people through the internet. We stick with what’s here – of course much can be ‘projected’ on to the future if one is able to do it, but as I stated in my original post-entry, how is that relevant to this current state of the world, take a look at third world countries – they first require food to have sufficient energy to be able to attend school and not be malnourished and incapable of engaging in any learning activities. Thus the importance of first Equalizing Energy for All as that basic ‘fuel’ to live- which is then Equal Money and the solution we are presenting.

We are both standing for environmental care as ourselves, as an all inclusive system – caring for animals, plants, nature as ourselves and taking on the stand as Life-custodians on earth as how it should’ve always been –

Once again, Money is not the problem –we simply have to change the rules that are guiding the ways money exists and the ways it’s being used.

So, that’s a point to re-consider –again, simply to point it out as what we stand for not in means of creating any opposition at all – just pointing out what’s being missed.

“We are all about the basic causes that are starving a billion people on
this planet. We are all about changing the human behavior that is causing
the ecology, which is our common outer body, to disintegrate. And we are
all about people choosing to self-educate to understand how humanity can
live on this planet with a freedom and prosperity which exceeds all past
imagination.”

 

Such ‘freedom’ cannot exist as long as the actual mind-patterns that have been transmitted through and as DNA as how the entire human race exists now is what first must be taken on which is the result of the entire acceptance and allowance of ‘who we are’ as the mind. We can’t really be free until All are Free and even there, that freedom is still subject to our basic requirements to actually even consider in making such ‘freedom’ as a possibility in this world. It’s mostly a nice concept that uplifts the human into an ‘Ideal’ – not an actuality which is what very few people are really willing to see and understand = that’s self honesty and thus it is only through knowing our bounds and limitations, through living them, through working with them to transcend them that we can only then get to an actual living solution as ourselves – as individuals changing themselves. So far this has been a very tough point to take on as human nature is systematic in its functioning thus one has to really will oneself to change – caring doesn’t come naturally – and we make sure that we do really stand as what’s best for all without seeking any forms of ‘stepping outside of the box’ without first having taken Self-Responsibility for the entire creation as it is ourselves.

Thus, solutions won’t come that easy – long tough road as hard work is required to do this. By everyone, by each one.

“We are not about Utopia, which cannot exist, or forcing people in any
way, or causing or supporting revolution… we are not about arguing,
either, because we really don’t have to do that. The planetary situation
does our arguing for us. The survival impulse is a paradigm shift that is
global and includes everyone. We are a result of that, and all we have is
a set of ideas and information that is one option for human survival. It
is certainly not the only option although we can see that violence and
revolution will never produce the change we want to see.”

 

That clarifies the point that I saw through the movie as inciting for a ‘revolution’ as they state which involves dropping money in front of banks and revolting that way.

Yes, what’s best for all is non debatable – we simply all have to agree on basic terms that must be considered to create any actual change in this world and they are based upon all of the above.

Now, here’s the nitty gritty – ideas/knowledge without being placed into action result in simple idealism and inaction and thus just another pipe-dream= useless. And because we realize how this things take time, planning, resources as money, as people getting to understand how important this point is to get to create an actual standing –constant and consistent change, we are taking the first steps and working with ourselves as individuals within the process of learning and understanding how it is that all our actions affect the entire world – understanding how we’ve accepted and allowed this world as it is and thus taking self responsibility for our individual worlds to then be stable and HERE enough to start taking on our environment as ourselves – once again we cannot go trying to ‘fix the world’ without focusing on ourselves first – one must take care of the root of it all before wanting any fruition.

Thus, we have an actual walking step by step process going from the individual into the group, learning how we have to stop such type of mental individualism as ego that separates ourselves, that pushes everyone to think for themselves and their own ‘survival’ instead of being directing ourselves by what’s best for all – within this we direct, live, act, speak, write and share with the world as who we are as human beings observing themselves in self honesty, to expose the delusions that we create as the mind = creating the world as an exact replica of the mind. If we understand this point then it’s obvious we have to start taking on ourselves as our mind first to only then start considering on going any step further.

“And we are not monolithic, or following a dogma or the leadership of
anyone. Jacque Fresco is a 94 year old visionary who we respect and
listen to, but there is no ‘power’ in that since we will not force or
intimidate anyone. Peter is a talented filmmaker with a gift of
explaining complex subjects and a loving heart, and he ‘owns’ the main
zeitgeist site, but he is simply another respected voice in the movement,
he is not ‘leader’ to anyone in the movement who fully understand what we
are about.”

 

Equality within a group must be represented by an Equal participation of all participants –each one becoming an equal-leader – that’s what we are walking as and definitely learning a lot from each other, to recognizing ourselves in fellow human beings that probably in other times we would’ve feared and judged – so we’re stopping that and simply taking things within common sense so that we can stop our individual-races to become one single race, the human race that finally meets its goal: Equality as Life.


“Going from a few people to 500,000 people all over the planet in about
two years means we are growing fast, and members are at all levels of
understanding. This means that we have a wide diversity of opinions and
ideas which people develop and run with, within our basic understanding
of ‘Do No Harm’. We are trying to bring about a change of mind, and
therefore action, for a world with 6+ billion people and we want to have
that change be as peaceful as the maturing of any human being going from
childhood into adulthood, and since only a good means can create a good
result, it must be peaceful, through voluntary self-education.”

 

Wanting stays in just that: a ‘want’, a ‘desire’ that doesn’t have any practical living-action plan to take on that want into a reality as a living-process of each one participating and joining the movement. I’d encourage those 500,000 people to start exposing themselves in Self Honesty as to how they exist within the deepest-chambers of their mind and thus having actual real introspection and insight upon how it is that we as individuals are creating this reality as ourselves – thus once again, everything is still remaining at an idealism level with no practical living application – which is what we are here certainly busy with, you can do proper research just in this livejournal blog which I began when getting to Desteni and see how one is actually able to start getting out of one’s own mind bubble into self-direction to care about this reality as a whole. Lots of Self Forgiveness required to make that ‘change’ a reality and most importantly, sticking to that Living Decision of doing what’s Best for All in all ways, always acting in accordance to Life and not ego.

 

We are actually realistic and we know that 6 billion people – almost 7 now – won’t be walking this process in Self Honesty because it takes an actual understanding to then get ourselves through this process in the most important life-commitment we can ever take within our existence – and this we are walking diligently, each day as ourselves, sharing with the world for all to see – and this, everyone that is able to self-reflect upon one’s world, that is able to communicate and write is suited with the basics to start this process of Self Honesty = actual Living Practical Application of the Principle of Equality as All to then re-educate ourselves not only as having more knowledge and information, but placing it into action as that which is relevant for all equally, practically.

 

“While many think that is impossible, science seems to show that it is,
and we can do it. We know it is a long term project, which might take
more than one generation, but it must be done right or the result will
not be good.”

 

Yes, taking the point here is vital – and yes it will take time though once again look at how ‘science’ is taking a major role in that – just plain observation from how it’s been written in your response here.

Best is to simply rely on the basics first as explained above within the ‘basic points’ of understanding ourselves as individuals, as our mind.

“We cannot live with the knowledge that our civilization is starving
billions, slaughtering thousands, and obliterating our ecology when we,
along with all the other people in the world conscious of that, have some
idea of what to do about it.”

 

We are Certain about what must be done, though it’s not the most ‘flashy’ solution out there as it’s not sugar for the ears of anyone – it is actually quite the opposite as for now the true-nature of the human must be revealed, exposed and thus dissected for everyone to see, to identify ourselves and to get to an actual understanding of our role as creators in this reality. ‘Civilization’ is simply the externalization of our mind in means of creating a septic environment to pretend to be ‘civilized’ monkeys which we know is not actually so and it stays within a single picture being presented as the mask of being ‘more evolved’ and ‘more techno-savvy’ but! The essence of the human being remains the same which is the very first point that needs to be taken on –once again, that in itself will take quite a lengthy amount of time as we have to make sure that this is then created as an educational-foundation for all human beings as without that, any other way of implementing a solution is doomed to fall as the basic foundation of it must be laid upon an overall understanding of us within this world as the units/cells of the entire body that must learn how to co-exist without harming, killing, abusing each other or of the resources as energy that’s being pumped for everyone – though yet not equally distributed – which is causing the cancer in this world. That is what must stop: ourselves from being such cancer in this whole that is ourselves.

Thanks for the reply and expanding upon the points exposed in the entry – it clarifies some – though seems there is still no definitive ways established on how to take that care and consideration into practical-living within a structured way that will lead to a solution that will be consider everyone as to have the same starting point to actually be able to Live and be Supported Equally by the single fact of being a living being in this world.

“You are always welcome to check into us more at
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
We also have a Teamspeak server so we
can have voice conversations about the ZM and it’s goals and methods.”

 

Cool, I also suggest you check out the website http://www.equalmoney.org

There’s ONE single goal that must be certain for ALL those that are wanting to create a change in this world: Equality – and that’s not debatable and the ways to get it must have a single easy simple starting point: Self.

Visit http://www.desteni.co.za, visit the forums where we share ourselves as the process and insights we live by when starting to take us individually to create a change within ourselves as part of taking Self Responsibility to then, become life-changing agents, life-coaching people that are able to support themselves and others as Equals. That’s real living practical day to day care.

Check it out – Thanks.

 

….next replies later –

 

thanks for reading.


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